Magic lessons find us anywhere if we look. In this 35 minute pure content video interview with Aaron Fisher, you’ll find funny, profound and bizarre  magic lessons you could only learn from a lifetime spent in the company of master magicians. In this uncensored interview, you’ll get stories that have never been revealed to anyone before.

These are amazing real life stories about some of the greatest magicians, and magic teachers, in history, like Dai Vernon, Eric Mead, Jim Steinmeyer, Johnny Thompson, Teller, Mac King and Juan Tamariz.

You’ll discover real secrets – magic lessons Aaron learned from HIS mentors about how sleight-of-hand was transmitted from teacher to student, and how mentorship really works with the greatest magicians in the world.

Magic Lessons from a Life with the Masters

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Have you ever wondered what magic lessons you might learn from hanging out with your favorite magicians for an afternoon or evening talking magic? Listening to their tales of times past and discovering how they became the awesome performer they are now?

Aaron Fisher is known as one of the greatest sleight of hand magicians and teachers in the world – and also one of the finest storytellers.

In this NEW video, we sat down with Aaron and asked him uncensored questions about how to become a magician and the magic lessons he’s learned over the years.

We handed Aaron classic magic books like Dai Vernon’s Revelation and received astounding information about the history of the books and why they are significant in magic.

Classic magic books are widely known as being quite difficult to learn from, yet Aaron teaches aspiring magicians how to understand them all the time. We got the low-down on exactly what Aaron’s approach is to teaching people how to read, understand and USE the information in those magic books so they don’t just sit on the shelf acquiring dust.

In a surprise attack (because if you know Aaron, you know some of his best stories are off-the-cuff) we handed Aaron the names of magicians and he shared stories about each of them like:

  • Watching Eric Mead perform a 4 hour close-up magic act and then asking Aaron to do the same on their first meeting,
  • Receiving top-secret stand-up material from Jim Steinmeyer for his Magic Castle act
  • Aaron’s first dinner at Johnny Thompson’s house with ‘the gang’,
  • Visiting with Teller
  • Travelling to learn from Juan Tamariz in Spain.

There might have even been something about Mac King mooning everyone at a private party… :

We made this as much like hanging out with Aaron as we possibly could – fun, casual and FULL of amazing magic stories that have never been told to anyone, until now!

You’ll discover revealing magic lessons you would never expect from Aaron’s real life stories about the time he’s spent with his mentors, friends and heroes in magic.

Magic Lessons: The Transcript

We’ve included a transcript of this complete interview for your convenience. Watch the whole interview anytime on the video above!


Magicians everywhere were insanely upset when this came out. It was a really, really big deal for all of us. This is the new edition of Vernon’s Revelation.

Now, Revelation was a very, very big deal. It was one of the most talked about books among the inner circle card guys when I was growing up. You know this is before the internet.

It was known for many years that a long time ago, the professor, Dai Vernon, wrote down annotations on Erdnase – a book all of the experts and all of the masters swear by, because it really is one of the only places where you can learn a certain level of perfect sleight of hand – and magic lessons that just can’t be touched anywhere. But it’s one of the most frustrating things you’ll ever see. Just to try and open that book. It’s likely if you’re watching this, you have a copy you bought for $7 and that it is lying in a pile somewhere, and that’s where it stays.

This book, Vernon gave to one of his students, and that student hid it, buried it underground, and it was not published for at least 10-20 years. Card men all over the world were upset because they were told that this book was being hidden from them. And except for the group that was hiding it, they were thrilled when it was released.

It finally came out, and it was very sparse. People read the pass in Erdnase, a two-handed shift, and they think, “Oh, when I get Revelations I’m going to have all Vernon’s thoughts on this, and this is going to fix it and I’m finally going to learn how to do it, and it’s not going to be wasted practice anymore because I’m going to get the secrets.” Of course then Vernon says, “Make sure to keep your first finger at the front of the deck” and it’s like one sentence. You get a whole page of Erdnase, one sentence from Vernon and magicians everywhere were insanely upset!

Now, I was very fortunate because my teachers at that time, my Erdnase teachers, they told me it was really important to keep your first finger at the front of the deck. The main lesson that Vernon was sharing was that you follow the directions in Erdnase, even though it seems like it’s never going to go anywhere. You could be pushing against this wall and think, “Oh gosh, I’ve been pushing against this wall for like two years, it’s never going to budge,” but then on that second year in the first day, all of a sudden it nudges, it moves. Most people would never know because they’d give up long before they got there. That’s one of the most important magic lessons there is!

There were rumors out there, serious rumors, I won’t name the people involved because they could sue me for slander – but the rumors said that these people literally ripped the manuscript apart and cut out many of Vernon’s notes before they actually published the book. So that they published the book, but then they didn’t put in the real good stuff.

Everyone wants to believe that the really good stuff is being hidden from them. Everyone wants to believe that there’s a secret. And if they could just get ahold of the secret, Erdnase or some other algebra equation-like book is just going to open up like a blossom for them.

Of course, it’s not true. The information in the book is correct. But I don’t know anyone who can study it or get all the juice out of it because Erdnase is not going to teach you how to entertain an audience or put together your magic show, or create some beautiful miracle. It’s just going to teach you about how to do natural sleight of hand moves that no one can suspect.

Now, what makes this book [Revelation] so special was that after all of those years, all of the actual original photos – which were never published in the original book – of Vernon’s hands doing the material from Erdnase, were released in this book. Everyone I know in card land got very, very excited, because a picture is worth 1,000 words! If you know what to look for, just seeing Vernon’s hands doing the stuff out of Erdnase provides amazing magic lessons.

Seeing that turns anything that seemed like a mystery into usable, doable, beautiful card magic. It’s wonderful to be able to look in the mirror and see, does it match the photo? But the thing that we’re trying to learn is all aspects of sleight of hand.

Our magic lessons, they encompass every element of magic, it’s not just technique. It’s technique and misdirection and the structure. The structure of a trick and the structure of a show and how to put together a trick and get it ready to start using. On this technical level, we can’t pick up the cards for you, but we can show you, even if you only had 10 minutes a day or 10 minutes every two days to practice. And that’s enough if you know how to use it.

Think of each little time that you practice like a brick. Most of us, we pick up a brick, and by the time we decide what we’re going to work on, our practice time is over, it’s time for dinner. But if you have just 10 minutes a day to practice, you don’t want to end up with bricks lying all over the yard, you want them lined up one on top of the other, so that each and every little 10 minutes you spend turns into something. What we do in the magic lessons, and what I think makes the most immediate impact for so many people, is we take a look at what you’re doing, and we show you the details that you’ll never be able to spot just by looking at the photos.

Because what your coach does, what your teacher does is they show you how to see the details. It’s not the details that you see and you’re doing, and it’s not the details that you see that you’re not doing. It’s the ones you don’t even know that you’re not doing, you can’t even see them in the picture until they’re pointed out to you and you’re shown step by step exactly where to put your fingers. Then, a couple weeks later, you’re not doing it anymore, you forgot. It’s normal, we all do it. We put your finger back, and after you do that just a couple times, your finger doesn’t move anymore.

Then, just a month or two later, you understand why that finger was important. You understand when it all comes together and you see something happening that was just hopeless before that, you go, “Oh, that’s why we worked on that one thing, that one thing, for just a couple weeks. Aaron promised me that if we worked on this one thing in our magic lessons for just a couple weeks,” wax on, wax off, wax on, wax off, “Mr. Miyagi, when am I going to fight?”, wax on, wax off. Then just a couple weeks later, boom, it comes together and you realize that there’s no mystery to skill, because now you’ve developed some. It’s not some scary amorphous thing that it is when you try and muddle through yourself in a book or watch a video, and you know it’s improving I guess, but is it ever really going to fool anybody?

It’s different than that. You end up with a suite of tools that work, that you’re thrilled to use, that can be put together in 1,000 different combinations to create literally an infinite number of miracles.


Now, when I was a kid, I used to spend hour after hour going through every single trick in a book like this. I was lucky if I could understand one or two tricks. Frankly, looking back on it, I have no idea how I was hard-headed enough to take this approach. This is called The Secrets of Brother John Hamman. I never could figure out, when I first heard of Brother John, why there was a magician named Brother John. I was a young kid, I had no idea that he was an actual Brother, he was a Monastic.

Brother John Hamman was famous for being able to do really astonishing card magic, and this book was a real challenge. If you just take a look at the pages of this, I don’t know if you can see this, but look at all this densely packed text, filled with card tricks. I went through every single trick, and I tried to understand what they were talking about, and I tried to make it work, and I never could make it work. I would do each trick over and over again, and wonder why it wasn’t coming out right, and then I would get one, just one, and if I got one, I was really, really happy.

Most of the clients that we meet for magic lessons, and some of these people are incredibly successful people in all forms of endeavor, really smart, really educated people, and they find these books to be entirely incomprehensible. It’s like asking me to read a book on astrophysics; I couldn’t understand a word of it. This is what smart people think when they try and read these magic books, and that’s the problem, is that that’s where you find some of the greatest magic that was ever created.


What we do when we teach magic is we curate all this material, we find the stuff that is not just great stuff – because a lot of it is great stuff if you have the skills to do it – but we find the tricks, the sleights, the material, the approach that is going to be the perfect thing for YOU to get next. So that you not only have some great magic to work on, but you actually have the confidence of knowing how to do it, of knowing that it’s a good goal, knowing that it’s a trick you’re going to be able to kill with – that’s really going to work for you. It’s not going to be another wild goose chase.

Of course when our students go off into the great wide magic world after just a short period of time taking magic lessons, they find books like that and it’s like all of a sudden they’ve put on the magic glasses, and all of those weird algebra equations turn into very simple instructions for tricks you understand how to do. You know how the misdirection works, it doesn’t intimidate you.

You can turn these books into classic magic, and you don’t have to buy anymore push button tricks unless you want to, because you can take one of these books, and you can have 50, 60, 70, 80 great tricks that you can appreciate and that your audiences are going to love. Because they really are wonderful if you’ve had the background to understand them. That’s one of those things that I think most people today when they’re faced with looking at these magic books, they don’t understand. The masters never really intended those books to be understood by someone who didn’t already understand how magic really comes together.

That’s one of my goals working with our our magic students, is to help them know how to pick up any one of these books and learn all the great magic in it anytime they want.


Magic Lessons from ERIC MEAD

I love this game. Eric Mead, if you’ve never seen him before, he’s one of these underground magicians that you really have to be in the room with to see how incredible he is, his genius. I’ve seen Eric Mead, he had a very long-term gig at The Tower Bar with Doc Eason. The Tower Bar was a really elite place. It’s no longer with us, it was at Snowmass in Aspen, Colorado, and John Denver used to own the place. It was just a wonderful, wonderful magic bar. Doc was there, Eric was there, and it was essentially billionaires down from skiing on the mountain, and they were hanging out at the magic bar.

They would hang out for hours, and one of the reasons they would hang out for hours is because Eric would do three and a half hour epic sets of impromptu-seeming and really interactive improvisational magic. We used to say it was the Grateful Dead of close-up magic, because it was a live experience. You had to be there to share in the magic that really came from him, like they used to say about David Devant, all done by kindness. He really loved his audience.

I’ll never forget when he invited me to visit him when I was just in my early, early 20’s. I got off the plane in Aspen and I was so nervous to be meeting these famous magicians and these heroes of mine. Doc was there, Eric was there, and I was going to go to the Tower Bar, it was so exciting. I watched Eric do literally a four hour show, people were screaming, people were crying, people were running around the bar! It was the most incredible magic party I’ve ever seen in my life. Of course, this whole time Eric told me, “You know I’m going to put you behind the bar later, and just remember to have fun.”

I was so nervous, I’ve never been more nervous in my life. When I got behind the bar, I got to see what Eric wanted me to see that whole time, which was that when you’re in that space, that magic bubble – Don Allen called it a “circle of fun”, Ascanio called it “magic atmosphere” – but when you get into that bubble, the audience is with you, they’re happy, they want to see you succeed, they want to have a magical experience. There’s no challenge, there is no confrontation, there’s nothing adversarial happening. It is just, pardon me for saying, it’s a love fest.

Eric showed me, and I don’t think any other magician could have, exactly how much of what makes great magic great comes from just being there, present with your audience and sharing magic with them, not performing at them, you know? If it weren’t for Eric Mead, I don’t think anyone else in the world could have taught me that.

Magic Lessons from JOHNNY THOMPSON

Johnny Thompson, The Great Tomsoni. I’ll never forget when I met the Great Tomsoni because, for those of you who don’t know, Johnny Thompson really, if he’s not officially, he should be the Dean of American Magicians. He is a master at not only a full evening stage show, but a master close-up magician. Not only a master close-up magician, he was in the Harmonicats, he was a pop star before the advent of rock and roll. He knows everything about show business, and he’s also at the same time, one of the first people to develop dove magic as a craft, as an art.

On top of that, he’s one of the greatest card technicians alive, because his teacher was Charlie Miller, and he was one of the only Charlie Miller students, along with Steve Freeman and Ricky Jay and the mythical Persi Diaconis who does exist, by the way. When I found out that Jamy Swiss was going to take me to dinner at John Thompson’s house to meet John and Pam Thompson, again, terrified, I was horrified. I had gone out to Las Vegas, I was in college and I just could not believe I was about to go to the Great Tomsoni’s house for dinner.

On that occasion, I had to show Johnny Thompson my pass at dinner, and it was just a bit of fun for the guys, they were having a good time watching the kid be a little nervous. I was so scared, and then Pam Thompson walked through the room because she was going to make some dinner, and she said something typically Pam like, “Don’t worry about these guys, these guys aren’t anything to be scared of.” I showed the Great Tomsoni my pass and he looked at me and he patted me on the back and he said, “That’s good, kid.” From then on, we were bros.

I remember driving up Las Vegas boulevard with Johnny Thompson in my car, my little college car, on the way to have lunch with Channing Pollock and Lance Burton, just to have lunch in Las Vegas. We talked, in those days, about magic, about acting, because Johnny was a student of the famous Lee Strasberg, the new school in New York. We talked about show business, every aspect of it, we talked about art.

He was a friend to us, and one of the things we always knew was special about Johnny Thompson, because he was the age of any of our grandfathers at that time, but unlike just about any magician in that age group, Johnny loved hanging out with us. We were in our early 20’s, and it energized him, and he loved to talk about magic with us and he loved to show us things that we thought every magician in the world would care about knowing. It turns out, and I believe this is the case, that the most passionate magicians, they don’t keep their secrets because they don’t want to tell anybody or they covet them like it’s the ring from Lord of the Rings or something, they actually are more than happy to share their knowledge with anyone who cares, with anyone who can use it, with anyone who loves magic the way they do.

From people like Johnny Thompson, and knowing how much they love magic and how kind they are when you actually get in the room with them, what gentlemen they are, that’s one of the things that really inspired me in my belief that you don’t have to audition to become a great magician. You don’t have to get into an elite academy, you don’t have to be one of the cool kids who gets to go to the secret meeting. You just have to care about magic to get magic lessons, because for all of the greats in the world, that’s always been the only buy-in you need. You just have to care and show up, and that’s something that I don’t think I ever would have appreciated if I hadn’t met a titan like Johnny Thompson, and then discovered that he was just the kindest, most gentle-hearted man I could have ever imagined.

He’s the regular consultant, I used to joke “magic teacher”, on staff for Lance Burton for years and Penn & Teller, and virtually anyone you can think of in the Las Vegas area who needs a real magic genius to help them learn a piece of magic or put a piece of magic together. Really, he’s a gentleman with anyone who cares about magic, and that’s something that we hold very close to our hearts when we work with our students and clients at Conjuror Community, because that’s what it’s all about. It’s a community, and it’s a community that isn’t based on who’s got the most money or who’s got the best car or who can do the best pass. It’s based on who cares about magic and who wants to share it from their heart with the people that they know and the people that they want to touch as they go through their lives.

Magic Lessons from JIM STEINMEYER

I love this game. Jim Steinmeyer, you’re hitting me with all of the tearjerkers today. Jim Steinmeyer is another fellow who, I never thought Jim Steinmeyer would ever even speak to me. When I moved to Los Angeles to be a magician, primarily still a close-up magician, I knew Jim Steinmeyer from his groundbreaking illusion work, having created some of the greatest illusions of all time, and certainly the greatest illusioneer in the modern era to say the least, and one of the smartest all-around magicians you could ever meet. Of course, he ran the magical history conference, which was sort of the most elite gathering for anyone who was sincerely interested in all aspects of magic going back several hundreds of years, and that was in Los Angeles, very hard party to get a ticket to.

You know, one day I met Jim Steinmeyer in the lobby of the Magic Castle, and he was on his way in or I was on my way out, and I just said hello to him, and he said, “Oh, are you working in the club?” I said, “Yeah, I’m working in the club, and I’m working on standup,” because I was a close-up guy, but I was trying to step up into the stage and into the parlor and take my magic forward. Jim Steinmeyer, he just started talking about magic with me right there, right then. Not only did I realize he knew as much about closeup magic and all kinds of magic as anyone you’ll ever meet, not only did I realize that yeah, he was a genius, a genuine genius. That’s one of those words that’s totally overused, but it really did apply to him, and does.

Before I knew it, Jim invited me over to his home and went through his garage and was breaking out prototype effects from these awesome, incredible stand-up pieces that are in his book The Conjuring Anthology, which is really a must-read for anyone who wants to do magic on stage, because if you put in the time, you can build a lot of the tricks yourself. Jim’s like, “Here, you should do the human slot machine” and he just gave it to me. He said, “You know, be nice to it.” Before I knew it, I had literally one of the most powerful – and when I mean powerful, I mean can get stuff done, can create the biggest magic shows, the most spectacular magic shows in the world – hanging out on a Saturday morning, talking to me about my stand-up show, suggesting tricks, offering me help, being a real friend to me when I didn’t think anyone of that stature would ever give me the time of day.

It just goes to show, all over the world, real geniuses are real people. They’re smart enough to know that those two things go together. Really, talking about magic with Jim Steinmeyer is some of the most fun I’ve ever had.

Magic Lessons from MAC KING

Mac King, one of the funniest magicians you’ll ever meet, and one of the most amazing comedians in history. Once he walked into my home and mooned the entire crowd at a party with his pants down around his ankles and his buns in the air when I was living with Dan Harlan when I was in college in Las Vegas.

The thing about Mac King is he is funny, and most people don’t know this, he’s an incredible sleight of hand artist. Once I was getting ready to start a midnight madness show with Lee Asher at the Las Vegas Magic Seminar Collector’s Workshop. Mac King walked up to us, I think he might have been with Mike Caveney, we were in the wings, we were nervous, we were scared, big heavy night for us, very exciting.

He said, “Hey guys, don’t suck!” and walked away. He thought it was hilarious. After the show was over, we thought it was hilarious as well, but at the time, no way! He’s one of my heroes. Who do you got now?

Magic Lessons from TELLER

Teller , well, talk about mentorship! I once got a chance to go with Teller to, he was casting a play. He was casting, I think, Macbeth, and we went to go see a black box play in L.A. You know, when you go to see a play like Macbeth in L.A, you’re lucky if there’s more people in the seats than there are on the stage, and that’s really true. Just getting to talk about art with a genius of his caliber, really one of the most mind-expanding and transformative opportunities of my life, I just felt blessed just to know him.

Frankly, a little personal touch here, I’ll tell you that when I was 14 years old, about a year before I got interested in magic, I saw the Penn and Teller special on PBS that started with the Casey at The Bat straitjacket escape. Really, it was watching Penn and Teller do the magic that they did at that time, long before I knew I was going to be interested in card magic or close-up magic, or even knew there was such a thing, that made me decide magic was cool. I think that’s a pretty common story for people in my generation. The chance to get to talk about magic with Teller, really just one of the epic highlights of my entire life. I’ll be forever indebted and grateful to him for the time we spent talking about magic out there in Las Vegas.

Magic Lessons from JUAN TAMARIZ

Juan Tamariz . Well Juan Tamariz is a guy, obviously you know who he is, he’s another magician who does not translate to video in the same way, he’ll never feel exactly the same way. First time I ever saw him, Lee Asher and I went to the Magic Castle with Larry Jennings in 1997, and Juan Tamariz did a secret show in the basement. On that night, it was the first time someone ever made me cry with a card trick, and it changed my life. Then several years later, Bill Kalush suggested that I seek Juan out and go to Europe and let him affect my thinking.

That was some of the best advice I ever received. The most important thing that Juan ever shared with me was, we were talking about stage fright and nerves because I have to tell you here that Tamariz is still a person that can make me nervous. There’s not many of them, but showing a trick to Juan Tamariz for some reason just gives me the willies. We were just talking, several hours after I had done a trick for Juan, and he said to me that whenever he gets nervous in front of a crowd, he remembers that he is there to share something beautiful with the audience, and that if he fails in sharing that thing, it’s a very honorable way to fail because you’re trying to give the people a gift.

That’s something that I’ve shared with many of our students over the years, because it’s really helpful. It’s important to remember that it’s not so much about whether they like you, but just to remember why you’re there. You’re there to share something beautiful with the audience, and so that makes it easier, takes the energy off of yourself, whatever is making you nervous, helps you calm down and remember that you’re there to share magic.


I’ll never forget my first magic lesson . I was 15 years old, and in those days things were a little bit different. I got a call from the local underground card man named Greg Gibson, and he told me that the famous elite underground card expert Jack Birnman was willing to give me lessons at his home. I was horrified, because I had been accepted and I didn’t even know there was a school. When I showed up at Jack’s house, what I discovered was whatever I was picturing couldn’t have been any further from what it was. I thought I was going to be walking into some intense, scary situation with some intimidating master guru.

Of course, Jack was a master and he was one of the greatest magicians I’ve ever met, but he was a kind man, and he wanted nothing but to share his magic and share the secrets of how really great magic works with someone who cared enough to sit with him and come back and meet with him every couple weeks and experience the magic that he had to share with them.

It was literally two weeks after my first lesson with Jack Birnman that I thought of the one-handed popover, which was the very first magic idea I ever had. Jack Birnman liked it, and he called up Richard Kaufman, and before I knew it, I was in Magic Magazine and I was just 16 years old. It just happened because of what Jack opened up in my mind and in my heart about magic, and that was in the very first lesson I ever had with him.

The thing is, that’s not an outrageous thing, that’s not a rare thing, because that’s what happens. That’s the magic of sitting with a person who cares about magic and cares about your magic, and having a lesson, and then having another lesson or two. Before you know it, your entire perspective on what magic is and how it works, and what you should be focusing on and what’s going to get you the rewards, it changes almost overnight.

In so many magic lessons with so many of our clients, I would say the majority of the time, we have a match, we have a great fit. We know from the very first time we sit down together that we’re going to have a great time, and you discover, as the person taking the lesson, that this is in fact the path forward for your magic that you have been looking for. Even if you didn’t even know it was there, you discover, rather than going through this giant pile of books and DVDs and downloads, that this old-fashioned way, one-on-one, person to person with your magic teacher, it changes the entire ball game.

Not only is it possible for you, that’s how all of the great magicians that I can name happened. No one does it alone. It always blows my mind that if your child asked you to play the guitar or play the drums, that anyone would get the child lessons. You take them to the music store. You don’t sit them in a room with a pile full of books and say, “Good luck!”. You’ve got a drum kit in the garage and you send the child to get music lessons. That’s how it’s done, and it works. It’s always worked. For my own sake, my own experience, I couldn’t have learned how to read the magic books without help. They’re incomprehensible.

I couldn’t have learned how to do sleight of hand so that it looked right, I couldn’t have learned how to practice it so that I could learn it, or how to put sleight of hand into tricks, or how to build those tricks into routines, and how to sell myself as an entertainer and how to work onstage. All of it required teachers who became my mentors, who became my friends.

That’s how it has always worked in magic, and it still works the same way today. That’s why we started our programs in the first place. Today, through Conjuror Community  and our online programs like Pathways to Mastery  and the Miracle Man Method, we help thousands of magicians every year make their dreams come true.

Out of all of those programs, the private mentorship program , it’s different. It’s unique because each and every magic lesson is built around you, it’s built around what you want to accomplish, it’s built around what your unique strengths are, what your specific challenges and constraints are. What we actually do is we find out all those things that make you unique, and some things that you may think are challenges or your “weaknesses” are actually strengths that we can use to help you find your own unique path to becoming a truly unique, amazing, astonishing magician.


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